accidentally recorded table conversations
János Sugár and Johan Sjerpstra
Sugár - /
/ ...its not bad, take the model
of the diligent capitalist small tiger, proven in southeast Asia
- and we are all the sudden facing a new state system: the capitalist
dictatorship. The masses aren't too concerned about the cellars
of the secret police, because life conditions are pleasant: nature,
sea, sun, relaxation. As soon as life conditions somewhere become
too pleasant (or too unpleasant?) a dictator can discipline sleepy
citizens having a siesta (or shivering citizens sitting in an ice-cabin
and licking frozen seal fat) with only a police baton. Now that
the global warming is coming, the whole Euramerica will have a siesta
at noon, bringing not the age of global information or communication
society but the first age of air-conditioner. If the executive offices
at IBM, Coca-Cola etc. get warmer the famous efficiency will end,
everything will become sluttish. It will be the age of half-asleep,
dozing policeman, flies buzzing around the servers. And then the
Vikings will appear to take of the command of the sleepy world.
Sjerpstra - Are you familiar with the notion of morphogenesis?
Rupert Sheldrake, outstanding English scholar and plant physiologist,
in his book published in June 1981, outlined a fundamentally new
vision of the world, according to which the universe is not directed
by physical laws, but by the self-governing system.
basically queries the premise of scientific thinking, which holds
that the regularities extant in nature are dependent on such laws
and principles, which are of eternal validity. As an illustration
of the world view based on the concept of laws existing outside
the realm of time, here follows a simple example: Let us take a
newly synthesized, so far unknown organic compound, whose crystal
structure is practically unpredictable, because the exact quantum
mechanical calculations based on the qualities of its atoms, are
so exacting that for the time being only approximative calculations
can be made. Yet we firmly presume that the structure to be realized
will be the sole structure which is theoretically predictable. It
is an obvious fact however, that the same compound, if crystallized
under similar circumstances, will again take the previous crystalline
essential feature of facts is that they can be interpreted in different
ways. This can be done in our case as well, that is to interpret
it in such as way that the formerly produced crystal of the compound
in question influences, as it were, the process of subsequent crystallizations.
morphogenetic spaces of past systems manifest themselves, within
similar structures of the future, via 'morphic resonance', while
they do not become significantly weaker even in case the old and
the new systems are isolated in space and time.
Sugár - The conception might appear fantastic, but it
is logically correct, and may provide appropriate interpretation
to a number of physical, philosophical, ethical, esthetical and
biological phenomena, and at the same time it can be generalized
into a hypothesis. We might as well call this hypothesis the hypothesis
of adaptable causality.
means that knowledge is levelled up if all past systems of a given
type have influence on the present, similar systems. Misinterpretations,
gathering around facts as centers of inspiration, create connection
between facts. Thus, any system may be conceived as a distorted,
hypnotic message from a system preceding everything. If it is conceivable
that there existed the single one, of which all contemporaneous
systems are only morphogenetic descendants, then the present situation
would be the unrecognizably distorted symbol of a certain meaning.
Let us try to recognize in everything that element whose morphic
resonance the world could possibly be!
Sjerpstra is a Dutch sociologist (as far as we know)